Destroys Ultra Greed in. #1. Bombs are near worthless in greed mode. Multiple copies of A Dollar can be found in. Just roll with Issac and the D6 and aim to get Blank card + 2 of Diamonds or Blank card + Jera, buy batteries for. Jaktifer 70 subscribers Subscribe 8. It's one thing to play a gamemode I don't like, it's another thing to have to play it over and over again, but having to deal with the machine jamming is just too much, especially when there's a whole character (who is one of my favorite characters post repentance) and holy mantle for lost locked. Fastest way to fill greed machine in repentance? : r/bindingofisaac r/bindingofisaac • 3 yr. It increases each time you put a coin in. since the machine has a jam chance per character, it encourages you to play with different characters to experience the mode differently every time. How to max out the greed machine in one run! Wanted to take a break from the random challenges and upload this guide I used to get some greed unlocks out of. Binding of Isaac Unlock Tasks. You can craft Deep Pockets to let you hold up to 999 coins. why should i donate 999 to the greed machine when you. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. We need to go deeper and teleport 2. Games. My goal was to make greed / greedier less of a slog to play. the greed machine jamming is one of my least favorite game mechanics ever. open all chests. The machine can be jammed, like the Donation Machine, when adding coins. I'm giving an arm and a leg to beat Greed with at least 50 coins. Got back into Isaac while waiting for repentance on PS4. exe process. com] 11. The Restock Machine is an object added in The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth appearing commonly in Shops in Greed Mode, and rarely in Arcades, Black Markets, Crawl Spaces, I AM ERROR rooms, Secret Rooms, and Treasure Rooms outside of Greed Mode. So unless there's a real good item full. Razor Blade is an unlockable activated item. if thats okay with you, there is a mod that prevents the Donation machine to be stuck after donating some coins. This equates to an average of 69 runs of maximum donation to reach 999 coins. The story follows Isaac, a young boy who finds himself in possibly the worst situation imaginable. Destroys all obstacles in the current room and deals 200 damage to every enemy (including Bosses). Keeper will start with 1 coin pickup after. Recently added 64 View all 2,563. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth (PC) 1. 1 Mechanics 1. But do it with Lilith or Cain, Eden or even the Lost are good with. thank you. When Isaac enters the boss room, Ultra Greed starts out hanging on a noose before he abruptly cuts it off and lands on the ground. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. The Binding of Isaac is a Horror Comedy Roguelike Shoot 'Em Up made by Edmund McMillen and Florian Himsl, released in September 2011. 2 damage for the current room. Keeper starts with Wooden Nickel after defeating Isaac with Keeper. Premium Powerups Explore Gaming. Some PPL wrote tutorials. Give yourself a Dollar. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. #1. This mod spawns the Donation machine + a dollar in the basement of greedmode and allows you to donate instantly with every character. Razor Blade takes Red Hearts before other heart types. If Isaac already has Steam Sale and Head of the Keeper, Shopkeepers will not drop any further pedestal items. once the floor is cleared roll the d20. The jam chance maxes out at 20% at 200 coins total in Greed mode, and 1% at 55 coins total in Greedier mode. Also destroys all obstacles in rooms. (I got lucky with Guppy) I don't want to spend 3 weeks playing greed mode, no sleep or food or anything else just to get keeper and holy mantle for lost. Play (normal) Greed mode. and greediers jam chance is seperate from greeds, basically making everything reset at halfway. You go through 60 waves of enemies and bosses, trying to rack up enough coins for the special greed mode unlocks, then you go and beat. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. Ultra Greed cannot be damaged until he drops to the ground. Keeper starts with this trinket after he defeats Satan. For each run get descent DMG. After eventually getting the hourglass and using it after giving about 50 coins to the greed machine I found that every single reset I would only be allowed to donate 1 coin each time before the machine breaks. 0 no longer work for grinding greed mode. Ultra Greed is fought in a unique vertical double-size room with golden Boss Room doors on all 4 walls in regular positions. I guess you probably already have that one though. Originally posted by Nazemec: Just get the Greed Machine achievements directly using the console. Cain is actually a good choice because you can keep resetting till you get Godhead (it is in that pool) in the greed mode item room, (if you have it unlocked) since he starts with a key. , will not remove the coins acquired. This. But basicly you Finish a greed Run search for the Number of your coins and Change them in Cheat engine. Hey guys here is a follow up video to the Keeper one, I thought some of you may want to know a good way to fill up your own machines, so I made this quick li. #2. Original Description: Greed mode always felt way too brutal to me. ". Do a first scan with a value equal to the number of coins in the machine. You can just spawn the greed machine in any run. ago Parker_Jay Fastest way to fill greed machine in repentance? I may just revert to. My goal was to make greed / greedier less of a slog to play. Kill him with the Chaos Card, donate as much as possible, use Hourglass. Tainted. Each character's overall donation status is tracked separately across all playthroughs, so each character has a separate jam chance. It's pretty annoying finishing a greed run and then having the machine jam after 20-25 coins when I've got 70-90 (once I donated 4 coins. Ensure you have the r key active and double active card active, then use the card - restarting your game from the beginning without consuming the r key. Here are a few ways to drastically shorten the time spent on Greed mode by allowing the player to donate as many coins as possible in a single run. just give yourself all items -> beat greed -> give ourself 99 dollars -> use 99 dollars -> repeat last 2 untill you finish. See moreThe Restock Machine is an object added in The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth appearing commonly in Shops in Greed Mode, and rarely in Arcades, Black Markets, Crawl Spaces, I AM ERROR rooms, Secret Rooms, and Treasure Rooms outside of Greed Mode. On average, a Donation Machine will accept 14-15 coins before jamming. The gameplay in greed mode is just too similar run-to-run for this to be enjoyable to me, and to play a half hour+ to donate 1 penny and have the machine jam is bullshit. Donating money to the Greed Machine. Every donation made to the Donation Machine on a single run has a 5% chance to jam the machine. Repeat 3-4. In the original Binding of Isaac, it was this amazing s**t-eating smirk, like "f**k you and f**k your parents. Beat Ultra Greed with at least two coins. Dropped Items. Lets just say, I tried to spawn in Greed Donation Machine, It didn't work. You go through 60 waves of enemies and bosses, trying to rack up enough coins for the special greed mode unlocks, then you go and beat the torture that is the Ultra Greed boss fight! Yay! Then you donate two or three coins and the machine jams. The Repentance update to Greed Mode Improved! As the title suggests, this mod improves greed / greedier to be a lot more fun, balanced, and adds a lot more variety to both modes. This mod does make greed / greedier easier, but that wasn't my goal. There's no good gameplay reason to have the greed donation machine jam; it just adds tons of tedium to an otherwise great game. Second run I was able to get about 70 coins in the machine. Donate 1,000 coins to the Greed Machine at the end of Greed Mode: Lazarus: Possess a combination of at least 4 Soul/Black Hearts at any point during a run. I think Lilith is the best for greed mode, because she can use the box of friends multiple times per floor as long as you stay in the first room and fight all the waves off, you can get 3 uses out of the box and have just enough charge left over for the next floor. Shopkeepers will be targeted by Mom's foot when using II - The High Priestess. -Insert the code "debug 10". Rerolling this item with the D4, etc. It just counts how many enemy waves you have gone through on that floor. I'm around 270 coins in, and the machine has an 18% break chance. That way you can keep the Ultra Greed fight out of the loop. " The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. Holy Mantle is a passive item. On the second to last coin it jams with an EIGHT PERCENT chance. Put in a coin. Once the machine is stuck, quit and change character. I was wondering if there was a mod out there that keeps shop/greed machines from jamming. View all games. Greedier especially. Keeper starts with 1 Bomb and a triple shot similar to The Inner Eye. chevron_left. Teleport back to the start of the room. Open the console, then enter the following command: achievement 242. Log in to view your list of favourite games. Flavorable. try to do greed mode with every character, if you use the same one constantly the jam % will keep going up and eventually you wont get more than 1 or 2 in. Find a greed run where you can get blank card on the first floor. So long as you can survive the fights and reuse the shovel (having items that quickens recharge is helpful!), you can donate continuously. I'm not involved in it in any way but if you want to check it out instead here you go: This mod changes five of the shops in greed mode to contain greed donation machines, making for a 20% chance to find one on any given shop and a ~74% chance to find at least one before reaching Ultra Greed. you cant, but like, you have 32 characters to fill the machine with as of rep. If you want to cheat to unlock things from greed donation machine, just give yourself the items to kill the ultra greed or give yourself debug cheats, if you want money, then give yourself the money items. Open menu Open navigation Go to Reddit HomeThe official subreddit for Edmund McMillen's Zelda-inspired roguelite, The Binding of Isaac! Members Online •. Showing 1 - 11 of 11 comments. That way the initial chance to break machine will be minimal. And get 5 coins in two runs all the same xD. Don't bother buying many consumables. Hey, I've scoured the Modding of Isaac site and I wasn't able to find it so I was hoping I could find something here. Took me 40 mins to set up and 20 mins to fill the greed machine up. you really dont need to replay characters, youll fill it over the course of your completion marks. This equates to an average of 69 runs of maximum donation to reach 999 coins. Ultra Greed then. 18% is an insanely huge amount to get it to. Per page: 15 30 50. The Greed Machine appears after every Ultra Greed fight in Greed Mode or Greedier Mode (DLC +). Greed works the same and much better for donation machine unlocks. 3K views 5 months ago #bindingofisaac #viral #gaming How to max out the greed machine in one run! Wanted to take a break. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. Donate 1,000 coins to the Greed Machine at the end of Greed Mode: Lazarus: Possess a combination of at least 4 Soul/Black Hearts at any point during a run. But the percentage is separate for every character, so you want to donate with many different characters. Mr. Collecting three items from this set will transform Isaac into an angel. An explosion (typically a bomb from Isaac) near the Donation Machine will cause it to randomly drop 2 to 5 coins. Here is a. I just can't imagine people doing the 999 greed donation machine legit though. I'm wondering if it's worth buying Chaos when it shows up in Greed Mode. it's currently sitting at about 250, and no matter what, every run ends the same way; I wind up saving like 80 cents, and the machine breaks after around 15-20. On average, a Donation Machine will accept 14-15 coins before jamming. When Isaac enters the boss room, Ultra Greed starts out hanging on a noose before he abruptly cuts it off and lands on the ground. Grants a shield that negates the first instance of damage taken in each room. I'm getting close to maxing my greed machine and I was curious about something. Keeper is a secret character added in The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth. Repeat. Greedier especially. You may only put 1 coin in later, but that doesnt really. Keeper is unlocked by donating 1000 coins to the Greed Donation Machine. 1% max chance of jamming in Greedier mode vs 20% max in greed mode is the main reason I do it that way. r/bindingofisaac. Wasn't part of the point behind Greedier mode to get rid of the old Glowing Hourglass game break but allow people to donate more money anyways? Three games in a row in Greedier I donated 10 cents or less before the. The greed machine unlocks are the only part of isaac that I ever used/will use cheating to get. Go through the floors, kill ultra greed, and donate until jam. Craft 4 steam sales to go infinite, make whatever build you want. UPDATE: now spawns the greed donation machine + a dollar in the basement of greedmode rather than making a character OP. Tainted Keeper is unlocked by reaching Home and using the Red Key, Cracked Key, or Soul of Cain to access a special room in one of the walls while playing as Keeper. He is the alternate version of Keeper. It's the fastest way, what with Super greed usually dropping money. The greed and greedier machines are the same. Pay to Play: Overrides Store Key. Can I use debug mode to spawn greed donation machine and dollars, turn off debug mode and unlock greedier mode this way? I dislike greed mode and would like to reduce times I have to play it by just unlocking hard mode of itTom Iveus Nov 26, 2017 @ 6:19am. Originally posted by Amos: I just can't imagine people doing the 999 greed donation machine legit though. Greed machine. The official subreddit for Edmund McMillen's Zelda-inspired roguelite, The Binding of Isaac! Advertisement Coins. Slayersfan (Topic Creator) 8 years ago #3. After Ultra Greed has been defeated, turning him into a golden statue, a Final Boss Chest to end the level and the Greed Donation Machine will spawn. People, by people i mean dataminers, are saying more things are not in the game yet that have a sprite for in the code. The purpose of this guide is aimed at being able to access in an easier way the achievements that require putting a certain amount of coins into the greed machine, since in my personal case, I suffer too much this way and it makes me torture to play it to be able to achieve these achievements. Also it seems to reset the amount after every layer of the dungeon. This mod allows you to fill up the Greed Donation machine to 999+1 coins in less than an hour to get the keeper and other achievements . hey, can i unlock the keeper and holy mantle for the lost in other modes too? I really hate playing greed mode and i dont like this grinding playstyle. For example, items that show up only in an angel or devil room in the main game are often available in the Greed Mode shops. This mod does make greed / greedier easier, but that wasn't my goal. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth > General Discussions > Topic Details. Consistently I have played Greedier modes to grind out Keeper. These coins will be deducted from the banked total; however, more coins will be. There is a mod called "Greed Donation Machine Rebalanced" that removes this feature, stopping the machine from jamming wouldn't that disable achievements. there are other break methods but this one is pretty straight forward. The official subreddit for Edmund McMillen's Zelda-inspired roguelite, The Binding of Isaac! Members Online •. Showing 1 - 13 of 13 comments. 2. • 2 yr. alternativley, farm the second half of greedier, it drops a ton of coins, use a moms box + rags to prevent taking damage very often. Unlock Method. Drop the 2 of Diamonds card in a room so it's the only pickup there, use D1, use a 2 of Diamonds card, use money gained to recharge D1, rinse and repeat. Lilith: In Greed Mode, defeat Ultra Greed while playing as Azazel. Greed Mode = Grind Mode. Repeat steps 3-5. Not it won't. Popular Discussions View All (2) 15. Judas is great since Book of belial lasts a whole floor. If you look under your coins/bombs/keys it should have a percentage chance to jam when the machine appears. ago. Valheim Genshin Impact Minecraft Pokimane Halo Infinite Call of Duty: Warzone Path of Exile Hollow Knight: Silksong Escape from Tarkov Watch Dogs: Legion. And I have no mods enabled. Just do play both with every character and keep the balance between buying stuff and. Mods. Nov 16, 2015 @ 4:21pm Originally posted by Ifrit1332: Make us (or at least myself) think that it's not by chance and yes by elimination, I mean. Donate 234 Coins to the Greed Donation Machine. chevron_right. look for the value that changed then change the value to 999. Magdalene: Have 7 heart containers in a single playthrough. Reply reply VaporLeon. 4. Manuel May 28, 2021 @ 3:06am. #1. The official subreddit for Edmund McMillen's Zelda-inspired roguelite, The Binding of Isaac!. Unlock the d20, break the game with a battery in the shop, getting 99 coins and a billion items, kill greed in 5 seconds flat, fill the machine with 99 coins, switch characters, rinse repeat. So what's the latest, easiest way to max the greed donation machine? I've essentially 100%ed the game by this point--I filled out every postcard (including the lost's,. And here started my first theories: Since you want to reliably win every run with as much money as possible, you would have to use a character that is pretty self sufficient, so you. Using the same character over and over again seems to cause the machine to jam faster and faster. Restock. Spent a few hours grinding out the last 150 or so coins I needed to get the greed machine to 1000 and finally unlock Keeper and ended this last run with the exact amount I needed to top it off. buy a battery. Even playing a few of the stronger greed characters, Isaac, Cain, Lilith, Judas. By the way, Greed Machine doesn't jam as annoyingly much as before. But also it can crash. s. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth. Cannot appear in Greed Mode. videogame_asset My games. if the machine didn't jam, all you'd need to do is do greedier mode and use a card against humanity right before ultra greedier dies. When used more than once in the same room, damage taken is lowered to half a heart. r/bindingofisaac. . Google cheatengine greedmode Isaac. Legit as in not cheating or legit as in not finidng an OP combination to get infinite cash. Found the D20 while playing as Cain, so I decided to use it to re-roll all of the coins on the second floor. re-roll the room again. Unlocked all characters except keeper and I’m wondering what would be the best way to grind out those 999 coins. Craft 4 steam sales to go infinite, make whatever build you want. Also destroys all Machines, Beggars, Shopkeepers, and Fire Places. This command unlocks the very first Greed Machine-related unlock: Lucky Pennies, with 1 coin donated. Upon touching the Greed Machine, Isaac will donate a coin, causing the displayed coin total to increment. I donated 10 coins. After Ultra Greed has been defeated, turning him into a golden statue, a Final Boss Chest to end the level and the Greed Donation Machine will spawn. What I do is that I stack my coins and use bombs on the reroll machine until the shop gives me a discount (items for 7 coins). This mod allows you to fill up the Greed Donation maschine to 999+1 coins in less than an hour to get the keeper and other achievements. Binding of Isaac: Rebirth Wiki It will take the player many runs of continuous donations to unlock everything, as the player will have to donate a total of 999 coins to max the machine out. Original Description: Greed mode always felt way too brutal to me. Shops still require a coin to enter. I thought that the machine resets in greedier despite sharing the rewards, so never bothered to try donating there because I didn't want to restart. Lilith. But it's of no use to greed runs anymore either since it resets the machine as well when resetting the room. Chance to drop Steam Sale. Towards the end of the run you can craft Backpack, The Clicker, The Battery and R Key. And stop buying items around Utero/Scheol to have a lot of left over money. . Still, with 1% and five coins I assume you're playing AB+ because Rep was done with that crap. there is a percentage chance to jam on the side of the screen, it goes up with each character. This is the process of narrowing down the address of the donation machine itself so you can edit its value. ago. These coins will be deducted from the banked total;. 4. Overall, this mod just makes greed / greedier a lot more fun to play. Great way to end a broken greed run! EDIT: ffs, can't edit titles!Tainted Keeper is a character added in The Binding of Isaac: Repentance. Tax evasion Jan 6, 2019 @ 2:03pm. Gives Isaac 100 Pennies. Eventually I started gaining enough money that I was able to buy items from the shop, and I quickly found the D6. Always do the devil deal wave. -Insert the code "stage 7". #26. 1. Beat Greed Mode with Isaac. Now you can basically craft anything just by buying items and collecting the coins. Yum Heart: Have 7 heart containers in a single playthrough. Now I just need to max out the donation machine, but. To fill the greed machine easily: 1. The most obvious choices here are Judas and Azazel. SamsonThe percent is the chance that donating will jam the machine. KuraiEiyuu • 8 yr. Congratulations! You have just maxed out your greed machine in only one run! p. My first (post Azazel fix patch) Greed run with Azazel I dumped the full 99 coins in the machine. However the greed machine will jam more often the more you donate with one character so the more you focus on one the less you'll be able to donate. Modding of Isaac Version:The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth +. Without Afterbirth+, you can use the Glowing Hourglass, preferably during a game-breaking run, where you can beat UG in a few seconds. The only thing that changes (besides Greedier's higher difficulty) is the fact that the jam chance is capped at 1% in greedier (while it can reach 20% in "normal" greed mode). The more often you use one, the quicker the machine jams. This mod does make greed / greedier easier, but that wasn’t my goal. His existence was foreshadowed by the cutscene that plays when Greed Mode is beaten - Isaac is buried underground, and his corpse becomes the shopkeeper/Greed. For breaking however, probably just D6 Isaac. not only will you break the game but you will probably get supre powerful making super greed a breeze. SamsonMama Mega! is an activated item added in The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth †. doctor_cheese88 Feb 6, 2017 @ 2:45pm. #29. Enter the room and fill as much as you can, then use the Glowing Hourglass. As far as the jamming thing, we have a working theory on the Steam discussions. Repeat. Beat Greed Mode with Lilith. This item belongs to the Seraphim set. Do this on characters you've already beaten, or on Greedier. An explosion (typically a bomb from Isaac) near the Donation Machine will cause it to randomly drop 2 to 5 coins. The final boss in the mode is Ultra Greed, an ultra large version of the Greed enemy we know and love. Play the waves normally until you get enough coins then buy it. At first I thought it was for the special slot machine after you beat ultra greed, but it just takes the regular coins. Eve: 2 or more deals with the devil in one playthrough. As was the case with greed mode also: Infinity money combos, notably blank card + 2 of diamonds (and a battery in the stock of the shop). no need to cheat, greed mode is easy enough as is. This mod also adds 4 golden chests in the spawn room of the Ultra Greed floor. Each character has a limit on how much you can donate to the greed machine. Current Known Issues: Donation speed resets periodically (when it would normally jam) Donation machine moves slightly when resetting. Finally got to break Greed mode in half. He can appear in Shops starting on the second floor of Chapter 2 or. Trying to completely break the game and max out 100% can be fun. Play with different characters. The Binding of Isaac: Repentance (Xbox Series X) How to unlock the Greedier! achievement in The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth: Donate 500 coins to the Greed. Go back to the game and add a coin to the machine, go back to Cheat Engine and then type the NEW value (+1 of old value) into the box and hit NEXT SCAN (not new scan) and the amount of addresses to the left will shorten. Always wait till you've killed all 10 normal waves/killed both bosses and can exit normally. When the shield is broken, Isaac gets invincibility frames like he does when he would normally take damage, based on the damage it negated; 1 second for half a heart of damage. aimed at being able to access in an easier way the achievements that require putting a certain amount of coins into the greed machine, since in my personal case, I suffer too much this way and it makes me torture to play it to be able to achieve these achievements. Keeper will start with Store Key after defeating Satan with Keeper. repeat. Sports. The Repentance update to Greed Mode Improved! As the title suggests, this mod improves greed / greedier to be a lot more fun, balanced, and adds a lot more variety to both modes. That said, with the amount of characters, you're likely to fill up the whole machine multiple times anyway, si I wouldn't. pick up nickels and dimes. The way the mode works is simple: You press a button in the main room and that spawns enemies in timed waves. Magdalene: Possess 7 or more Red Heart Containers at any point during a run. Cain: Have 55 Coins at once. Greedier especially. Buy as many cards as you can until you get the 2 of diamonds. Grind the Deck till you get Chaos Card. Machine had a 0% chance of jamming. Lilith is also really solid, especially with milk or Car battery. close. When logged in, you can choose up to 12 games that will be displayed as favourites in this menu. If I maxed my machine before unlocking the lost, after I unlock the lost with the machine maxed, do I get the unlocks for the lost or do I need to redo the machine. Make sure you use different characters. basically, it negates the satisfaction of finally getting a. And you should fill it in greedier since the jam chance drops from 20% to 1%. Over the past week, I've been playing Greed Mode nearly non-stop. On use, damages Isaac for a full heart of health and grants +1. Greed vs Greedier Modes. This does not extend past the normal cap of 99. I did it with Eve who had 0 completions at that time. The percentage is the chance that the Greed donation machine jams each time you drop in a coin. Greed is a mini-boss and one of the Seven Deadly Sins. then cash in 99. Put in a final coin. Alternatively, you can get lucky and find a Jera rune in a devil room (even more fun!) 3. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth; f* the Greed Donation Machine. If you have them, use bombs on the restock machine instead of money. Find out the jam chance, tricks, and farming methods for the machine. Then i would say, break the game somehow (i did it with azazel and rolled until i got a d20, azazel for good early clear) once you have it broken and have unlimited money, look for deep pockets and. have two chaos cards (polydactyl or starter deck, and good luck, or just fight his second half), but on greedier the machine wont jam, so its much easier to fill. (giveitem c18) Give as much as you can. I went from around 290 to 999 in about 2 hours using this. The final boss in the mode is Ultra Greed, an ultra large version of the Greed enemy we know and love. -Turn on Debug. The Binding of Isaac: Rebirth > General Discussions > Topic Details. 2. Pressing the button once more will stop the waves. The Dollar can only be found from a Slot Machine, as a starting item for Eden, using Spindown Dice on Boom!, or by using Death Certificate. This trinket is useless for Tainted Keeper, as all shops are always open for him. Isaac is given the chance to donate his remaining money to the Greed Machine, which will unlock several rewards including the Keeper character. Isaac is given the chance to donate his remaining money to the. Thing is, I often refrain from buying items so I have more money for the Greed Machine and then end up putting in at most, 20 of my. The Repentance update to Greed Mode Improved! As the title suggests, this mod improves greed / greedier to be a lot more fun, balanced, and adds a lot more variety to both modes. Thanks! Rai_Jin 8 years ago #2. Similar to the Donation Machine, the amount of coins donated will persist between all Greed Mode runs. Oct 19 @ 6:22am. This effect also applies to every room for the remainder of the floor.